Interesting video

[gary]

Came across this video comparing a D-Max with the Dodge diesel. Check it out

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/wm/b108e8c2-25df-4054-8090-98af013f4333.htm

[southpaws]

I new there was a reason I wanted to replace the ol' '99 with a newer one some day. Thanks for sharing Gary.    

[CampingCaptain]

No wonder the Chevy lovers took such a beating with that engine package.

Bryan

[bobr]

if your point is that a poor driver (always in the left lane, always running flat out) can push a duramax deisel too hard during adverse conditions (hot and uphill, running at red line for extended time) without doing any apparent damage it is well taken.  bob r

[F4RIO]

I would have liked to have a little more information - or maybe I missed it. The guy had the truck all instrumented up but exactly what kind of weight was he pulling, what was the percentage of grade and what was the outside air temp? I can't see how the dodge appeared to be doing so well, but if the DM was at max GCWR, the temps were in the  mid 90's and the grade was over 6%, he wasn't doing too bad - except for the overtemp warnings. The Dodge looked like he had a pretty good load but we don't really know.

<Don>

[Huuligan]

if your point is that a poor driver (always in the left lane, always running flat out) can push a duramax deisel too hard during adverse conditions (hot and uphill, running at red line for extended time) without doing any apparent damage it is well taken.  bob r

That was my thought also!!!    Thanks for saying it out loud bobr!!

No wonder the Chevy lovers took such a beating with that engine package.
Bryan

That is so true! I have the LLY motor and do not like it. Have not had the severe overheating problems most have had tho. Will NOT have another one for sure.

Gary

[Hawk Holiday & Miss Muffin]

Did he really expect to keep up with the Cummins motor?? Just another testiment to the power of the inline 6 versus the V8 diesel engine. I'm sorry that people don't understand the difference in pulling power between an inline 6 and a V8. All the big rigs run an inline 6. Kenworth, Peterbuilt, Mack.

Darin

[Huuligan]

Did he really expect to keep up with the Cummins motor?? Just another testiment to the power of the inline 6 versus the V8 diesel engine. I'm sorry that people don't understand the difference in pulling power between an inline 6 and a V8. All the big rigs run an inline 6. Kenworth, Peterbuilt, Mack.
Darin

The ONLY difference between the straight 6 and the V-8 is where their torque is developed in the rpm band. The big trucks have 6's because the torque is way low in the rpm band and that's where they need it. The V-8's develop their torque at higher rpm. For lite trucks, either one works. Pulling power is no different, just where the power is rpm wise.

How do you like your 6.7 w/ the 6 speed auto? I am considering one but have not had any feedback on them yet from anyone who tows.

Gary

[Hawk Holiday & Miss Muffin]

I love the new 6.7 Cummins. Although I've only got about 700 miles on her, she has mass power. The new tranny shifts and downshifts flawlessly. I'll have the 5er hitch installed this Friday so I'll be able to tow with her soon. I'm excited to get the rig on a big, long hill to see what she'll do. I'm also anxious to really get a good test of the new exhaust brake on a sizeable hill. I'll post when I get some results. It may be a bit tho as we're in our winter spot, but will tow for a weekend soon.

So far I'm very pleased with the power and torque.  350 HP  650 torque according to Dodge specs. If you get a chance to test drive one, I highly recommend it. The power will stun you. 

Darin

[RJOL]

The ONLY difference between the straight 6 and the V-8 is where their torque is developed in the rpm band. The big trucks have 6's because the torque is way low in the rpm band and that's where they need it. The V-8's develop their torque at higher rpm. For lite trucks, either one works. Pulling power is no different, just where the power is rpm wise.

Here's some other differences...  No glow plugs... Power band is between 1600 and 2000 rpm... Has a rated 250K between engine overhaul... Less moving parts...  Cost less...

[Huuligan]

So far I'm very pleased with the power and torque.  350 HP  650 torque according to Dodge specs. If you get a chance to test drive one, I highly recommend it. The power will stun you. 
Darin

I wish the local Dodge dealer had one I could test drive. Please let us know how the 6-speed does towing. I have no doubts whatsoever about the motor. More interested in how the 6-speed does towing and how it will hold up. Thanks Darin.

Here's some other differences...  No glow plugs... Power band is between 1600 and 2000 rpm... Has a rated 250K between engine overhaul... Less moving parts...  Cost less...

Rick- Do ANY of the new diesels have glow plugs?? .  Don't really care WHERE the power band is! .  Didn't know Dodge rated overhaul miles! .  Less moving parts but a lot more stress on those parts .  I priced new '08 Dodge and GM 1-ton DRW's on the web. Comparably equipped they are within $500 (MSRP)!! . 

Gary

[RJOL]

Rick- Do ANY of the new diesels have glow plugs??

Yes... Ford and Chevy/GMC....  

Don't really care WHERE the power band is! . 

  You should... 

Didn't know Dodge rated overhaul miles! . 

I was wrong... It's 350K now... But don't take my word at it... Maybe this will help...  http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/engine/2007_ford_chevy_dodge_diesel_comparision/index.html

Less moving parts but a lot more stress on those parts . 

Take a look at the cam shaft  and piston rods on a Cummins, and compare them to a Ford/GMC/or Chevy... They are built for more stress...

I priced new '08 Dodge and GM 1-ton DRW's on the web. Comparably equipped they are within $500 (MSRP)!! . 

Okay... so which one cost more...     Have fun... 

[Huuligan]

Not gonna win this one with you am I??    That link to the comparison of the Big 3 was interesting. They are all so closely rated anymore.  Oh, the GMC is about $500 more than the Dodge, BUT, a Chevy is about $500 LESS!  And, all the '08's have no glow plugs, as I understand it.  I've been trying to find a new Dodge or GM 1-ton DRW- none to be had. Have to order either one, so will not be upgrading till next year since we are leaving for the winter next month.

Gary

[lyman]

As a Dodge owner I sure enjoyed the video.

[RJOL]

Not gonna win this one with you am I??    

Probably not... I think if you take a closer look, the 2008 Ford Diesel, and Chevy/GMC still have glow plugs.  Both Ford and Chevy have gone to a HPCR (high pressure common rail) system  that helps to ignite the fuel without as much help from the glow plugs, when the engine is cold, but they are still there. 

Gary... This has been fun... but I really believe people will buy what they want and that's what keeps the other companies on their toes.  Good luck with whatever you end up with...   

[southpaws]

So far I'm very pleased with the power and torque.  350 HP  650 torque according to Dodge specs. If you get a chance to test drive one, I highly recommend it. The power will stun you. 

Darin
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My ol' '99 is still stock @ 215 hp. I'll have to put a 5 point harness in it, I'll feel like I'm in a race truck.      My youngest son is a diesel mechanic for the A.F. He's really buggin' me for the truck. It won't be the same after he does his thing.

[gary]

if your point is that a poor driver (always in the left lane, always running flat out) can push a duramax deisel too hard during adverse conditions (hot and uphill, running at red line for extended time) without doing any apparent damage it is well taken.  bob r



As they say " a picture is worth a 1,000 words"

[Ancient Mariner]

Probably not... I think if you take a closer look, the 2008 Ford Diesel, and Chevy/GMC still have glow plugs.  Both Ford and Chevy have gone to a HPCR (high pressure common rail) system  that helps to ignite the fuel without as much help from the glow plugs, when the engine is cold, but they are still there. 

Does the new Cummins still have the grid heater in place of the glow plugs?

[Newt]

Does the new Cummins still have the grid heater in place of the glow plugs?

The integrated grid heater also contributes to the outstanding cold start capability-down to an arctic -20F-with no auxillary heater.

[bobr]

to all of those who drive dodges i applaud your choice of engine, if gm offered the cummins as an option they would have no need for the duramax. it is a great engine but as the folks at 4 wheell and off road magazine once told me "it's a crying shame they took that engine and wrapped it in c..p." their quote not mine. i have been a gm driver for a long time and what keeps me coming back is the problem free ownership of a truck that does all i ask of it while at the same bieng safe and comfortable to drive.  bob r

[CampingCaptain]

No matter how good Dodge's Cummins & GM's Duramax powerplants are, they still don't offer a big enough GCWR to pull a 18,000 lb+ fifth wheel.  Until they do, Ford will continue to get the "lion's share" of the market for those who don't wish to go to an HDT or big MDT to pull with.  You can't beat Ford's 33,000 lb GCWR.

Bryan

[bobr]

just curious, which hh could you not comfortably pull with an 18000 pound rating. taking into account the fact that all these ratings far understate the trucks capabilities?   bob r

[CampingCaptain]

just curious, which hh could you not comfortably pull with an 18000 pound rating. taking into account the fact that all these ratings far understate the trucks capabilities?   bob r

The CE38LKTG that we are looking at comes with a GVWR of 18,700 lbs.  This means you can expect a pin weight in the neighborhood of 4,000 lbs.  I wouldn't want to try to pull this trailer full time with a one ton truck, even a dually.  You might be okay for short local trips but I wouldn't even think about trying it for the long haul.  I know Greg Surratt pulls his 37CKRD with his F350 but even he will tell you, he should probably have a bigger truck.  JMHO

[Hawk Holiday & Miss Muffin]

I can honestly say that if GM or Ford had the Cummins engine ( and I know they wish they did) I would have that truck. Most of the truck interiors are roughly the same. (seats 4, AC, stereo, heater etc.) so really what concerns us all is the engine and drive train. If Ford had the Cummins, all the Fords owners now would have a Dodge or GM cuz they just gotta have a V8 engine.

Opps... Did I just say that? LOL

Darin

[bobr]

darin, we are guys, we would all like to have a bigger truck most of the time but being over weight in todays world of product litigation would not concern me for a second unless i was way overweight. if you stay within 10-20% you should be fine. greg probably has no trouble at all with his combination and with all the electronics he has probably added by now he could be another 2 or 3 thousand pounds heavier that we think.  bob r